Since we are already above our heads, the "conditional" "tense" is the one to use so as to avoid any dogmatism.
The mathematical "Infinity" can have a beginning but no end. The religious and philosophical "Eternity" has no beginning and no end, and is commonly thought of as "existence outside of Time". Although MOTION (measured by the tape measure called TIME) and MATTER (measured in METERS) (aka: the physical or crystal Universe), have a beginning according to religious scriptures, but no end as yet, MATTER and the "measuring tape" of MOTION that is "TIME", could be infinite. MOTION and SPACE on the other hand, could be Eternal and not need a "first cause" and be a product of geometry. A ball near the top of a hill does not need a "pusher" to get it started. The Eternal ONE, the UNITY (a principle, not a person), could be eternal perfection or perfect geometry "in MOTION" and could create the physical Universe from and of MOTION. The hill mentioned above could be described as a tendency or potentiality towards ONE or UNITY using "attractive gravity", complemented by a state I call "the Many" or "diversity "(as we see REALITY today), using a "repulsive gravity", thus making gravity a real "FORCE" with an attractive and a repulsive state.
Both Infinity and Eternity are commonly thought of as "endless" by all.
The DEIST (from latin:Deus-God uninvolved, as in a PRINCIPLE) at this stage of the discussion, is more adaptable than the THEIST (greek: Theos-God as a PERSON, directly involved), and is almost as rational as an ATHEIST.
Is there such a thing as an "a-Deist" out there opposing Deism? I don't think so! There is no "need"!
It is the "THEIST", or THEISM that needs a RE-FORMATION and a REALITY check! It's TIME to take off the "rose-colored" glasses and check out the "MAGIC" and "FANTASY" in all belief systems before they bring about their destruction (war) or their self-fulfilling prophesy of the "end of the World"...another fantasy!
The "BORN AGAIN" need to be "FORMED AGAIN"!!
If there is such a thing as a rarified state of matter/energy called "SPIRIT", then "we" are IT, and hence, "we" have the Spirituality, and obviously the refined "intellect", as the Theist relies on "FAITH", not intellect. If there is a "trans-formation" or a "re-formation" to be had we the "non-believers", as the RELIGIOUS call us, or as I call us, the "true believers in REALITY", can help make it happen...We can do it!
Just expose and question! Don't accept Fantasy, Magic or Mystery as THE Answer! TRUE REALITY IS MAGICAL ENOUGH! WE ARE THE INFONAUTS! LOGIC is our TOOL. ONE or UNITY IS SIMPLE! SO IS ETERNAL SPACEMOTION!
As Jean-Luc Picard of the Star Ship Enterprise (a fantasy) said: MAKE IT SO! or AMEN! ;-))
The 2 sides of the LOGOS (logic) PYRAMID:
In excelsis, ex Uno Pluria
(In the highest, from ONE, many)
In excelsis, e pluribus Unuum
(In the highest, from many, ONE)
For more...see my blog: "ONE, Logos, Deism, Theism, Atheism"
(4d-don / December 30, 2007 - 00:54 am)
This site collects what every human is capable of doing best (to think), although very few actually practice it today; that is why I like it.
(Brasil / December 23, 2007 - 02:41 pm)
For those who are not familiar with the terms, a Theist believes in a God who is "involved" with His creation. This is usually a Male God, often "plural", originating for the western cultures in the desert, nomadic, and later farming cultures of the Near East and Asia.
To read the continuation : God story
(4d-don / November 30, 2007 - 03:19 am)
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(The Secularist / November 16, 2007 - 04:49 am)
Your bloggings are great, I've just started my own blog too.
(November 15, 2007 - 02:37 pm)
The first steps to "salvation" from the NEED for a personal GOD or THEISM, is to expose, deal with, and cure "SORROW", this loneliness, or sadness. (not the YEARNING which is POSITIVE). This Sorrow, is self-created as many (if not all) fantasies, but encouraged and guided by most RELIGIONS, through manipulation of our fear of being alone. It begins with the Proselytizer himself/herself being "afraid of being alone" and then CREATING or DISCOVERING a fantasy (anecdote, story, poem, song,) that relates or addresses that dis-ease and then presuming it in others through: generalized SCRIPTURES and other "Authorities" and then offering SALVATION from IT. And it is what the GROUP (Religions) offers.
If one is a "believer" in the first place, one, as part of the GREAT ONE (NUMBER), is "IN REALITY" never alone. It is not possible, and a fantasy, a delusion, or a false fear in itself.
The fear of DEATH, (another LORD who "comes like a thief") is the other facet of this fear of "the black hole" as opposed to the promised "HEAVEN" with the "white clouds", trickling water, green pastures, the fluffy little angels, and temperate heat, pleasant light and sound, "music", (no rhythm, ephemeral, no melody, so nothing to remember or "THINK OF"... just sounds but "NICE and SOFT")
Fantasies are nice but to believe them is ??
What's the difference between a Neurotic, a Psychotic, and a psychiatrist?
The neurotic builds castles in Spain, the Psychotic lives in them and the Psychiatrist collects the rent!!
In the case of RELIGIONS and GODS, THE PRIESTS collects the RENT for the POPES and the physical structure of RELIGION.
(4d-don / November 11, 2007 - 03:34 am)
I AM so sorry for the one who is atheist; really I am sorry for them
(gring_b / November 9, 2007 - 00:14 pm)
It is HIGH TIME to put GOD and the HOLY BOOKS of all religions ON TRIAL (International Tribunal).
Any criminal activity (hatred, incitement to hatred, murder, incitement to murder, genocide, conspiracy, and many more...) by either the "GOD" or his REPRESENTATIVES should bring a removal of the "tax-exempt" status of the RELIGION in all UN Countries.
The evidence of criminal activity by many Religions is in black and white in their HOLY BOOKS.
If GOD is found "innocent" then IT's representatives should be forced to remove from the HOLY BOOKS the sections where the crimes are attributed to, or ordered by "GOD" as a condition for the continued operation of the RELIGION (cult) in any UN countries.
RELIGIONS should not be "tax-exempt" for creating a social problem (crime) and not adhering to the civil laws of the land, but if doing charity work, only the CHARITY WORK portion of that religion (cult) should be TAX EXEMPT, not the PROSELYTIZING of what now appears to be a CRIMINAL GOD, served by criminal representatives and followers!!
(4d-Don / October 24, 2007 - 09:11 pm)
Those who pretend to know what their God (from the Goth (Germanic) empire that sacked Rome in the 4th century) wants, says and does always say that their God wants to SAVE us (and then punish us if we refuse). From WHAT ? Satan, is what they answer. A powerful OPPOSITE of their GOD. MONOTHEISM is now DUALITY.
To speak for the ONE is a disease (psychosis that leads to megalomania), not a virtue.
To claim to know what the ONE desires is "blasphemy", as ONE (what they call G-O-D) does not have "attributes", wants and desires they claim.
To put Christ as GOD (Trinity) and then to call it by the lowly name of LORD (such as LORD Conrad Black et al) is "idolatry" at best and so "Constantinean" (see the Roman Emperor and his role in this schismic travesty) at worse.
Now the name for the ONE in Judaism is "Yahweh", or JEHOVA, not G-O-D. The Greek concept that preceded the Judaic concept of Yahweh and Elohim was LOGOS (LOGIC as defined by SOUND) not the static and germanic translation: "WORD". This LOGOS is translated in French as "VERB" not G-O-D or WORD. (see John 1).
To believe in GOD and not YAHWEH, ELOHIM, LOGOS, is so GERMANIC or GOTH! Now do you wonder why the resurgence of the GOTH culture in our YOUTH? Not the SPIRITUAL ACME of THEOLOGY for HOMO SAPIENS!
Those who are atheist and do not believe in your or any of the many GODs, CHRISTs (Messiah), WORDs, and who believe that MAN (homo sapiens) must save HIMSELF also have a "hard-wired" need for the MYSTICAL experience, hence believe in SOMETHING...WE just don't call it GOD, LORD, KING, etc...IT IS TOO LOWLY! Some, but not all, prefer ONE, UNITY, ALL etc... and what about NO ATTRIBUTES FOR THE ONE (such as FATHER, MALE, etc...)
WHAT ABOUT A NUMBER? ONE? ALL?
GET TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW! STOP FIGHTING and WAR!!
Christ, when he was living was not LORD and did not die as a LORD!
If God (Yahweh, Elohim, LOGOS) is LORD, then he (male) should be made a member of the MALE HOUSE OF LORDS, not the house (pantheon) of the SPIRITUAL (no gender) GODS!
(4d-don / October 22, 2007 - 10:13 pm)
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(mohamed / October 21, 2007 - 09:09 pm)
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(Visitor137 / October 20, 2007 - 11:11 pm)
I see all this proof that God exists, but where is your proof that he doesn't exist?
(Larry Boy / October 18, 2007 - 02:51)
One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. God wants to be your Saviour not your judge. Turn to Him and life will change. You can mock all you like but the truth is nothing in life will satisfy you until you have tried God!
(Kim Piercey / October 16, 2007 - 00:26 pm)
Those who "demand" validating proof of the "non-existence" of a "MYTH" (GOD) created by our un-developed, warring, and frightened fore-fathers obviously must have "validating" proof of the existence of the ONE (the Divine, what some call "GOD"). That PROOF? Their HOLY BOOKs... which are now considered "scientific" or validating proof of not only the ONE, but of his opponent "SATAN" of the DEMONS of the "underworld" who will EAT you if you don't perform certain RITUALS...What was once called "CREATIONISM" is now called by the more scientific
"INTELLIGENT DESIGN"...We can agree with that ONE! The UNIVERSE IS INTELLIGENT.
From the ONE of MONO-theism, comes the Duality of "inside and outside" of GOD...So accordingly, the ONE is not ALL, but there is a group of (damned) spirits and a "FIRE", who are outside the ONE and live in the HELL of "OUT THERE". That is not MONO (ONE) but DUAL-ity (TWO)...and all without "symetry"...
According to them, The ONE is IMPERFECT since there are someones or somethings "OUTSIDE" of the ONE...The ONE is NOT A PERSON but ALL...
Those who worship a PERSONAL ONE cannot PROVE the existence of that ONE (person), those who don't believe in that ONE can't prove it's "non-existence".
That is the "Science" of RELIGION...which is also the science of "Fantasy".
Whatever you can "think", you can CREATE...And if you write it down, the "gullible" followers will come! Be it Harry Potter or GOD...
Creating a RELIGION is easy...Ask PT Barnum who said: "There is a new one (sucker) born every minute."
(4d-don / October 14, 2007 - 09:00 pm)
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(ovdvugcaud / October 10, 2007 - 11:08 am)
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(adam sandler / October 10, 2007 - 01:33 am)
Hi all , I just finished reading "The god delusion" by Richard Dawkins and felt the need to let eveyone know in a proud atheist.
(anthony / October 4, 2007 - 00:46 pm)