Your texts are dark red, those of "Atheisme: the capital man" are in black.
It's not that I do not BELIEVE there is a god, I KNOW there isn't any.
"Belief" and "knowledge" are two different things. I do not "believe" in anything. I either know or I don't.
(Atheist / March 30, 2006 - 10:45 pm)
Sorry, but this page is not a forum. I no more accept message that reply to an other one.
(atheisme.free.fr / March 26, 2006, 08:00 pm)
The Belief in a Unity or Singularity or a beginning is not the same a belief in religion. Also, a belief that there is some evidence of design (intelligent or ramdon) and evidence of randomness is just that a belief. Religion is not a science because of its dogmatic adherence to principles and tenets. To state that religion equates mental health is to see religion through rose-tinted glasses. Maybe buddhism could be categorized as healthy but that is a philosophy, not a religion. The unhealthy, immoral and uncivilized actions of most relibions and religious adherents is recorded, one just has to research it with an open mind. I believe in the ordered, and disordered universe that I see and feel. I do not believe in the Judeo-Christian God, or the Hindu gods. They have not led to a just, healthy and civilized society. It's the humanity in people that rejected the religious dogmas and prejudices that gave us a somewhat "civilize\" society. It is still the religious adherents who act in an uncivilized manner... Where is their just and loving and forgiving God?
(4d-Don / March 25, 2006 - 08:01 pm)
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Remember this words, because sooner or later you will be in this situation, and those who never knew the Living God, shall never see Him again.
(none / March 25, 2006 - 08:00 pm)
A man went to a barbershop to get a haircut, he started to talk about a lot of things with the barber and at some point they were chatting about God.
The barber said: - I don't agree God exists the way you say he does.
-Why you say that? - The client asked.
-Well, is very simple, you have just to walk around for a while, if there was a God, do you think that would be so much suffering and miserable people in the world?, I just can't imagine a God that would allow all these things to happen.
The client just didn't answer to prevent a long discussion. The barber finished his job and the client went away. When he just got out of the barbershop, he saw a man with a long beard and hair, who seemed very dirty and poor. At same moment he came back to the barbershop and said to the barber: - You know what? There is no such thing as barbers.
- What do you mean? I'm one. He replied.
- No, they don't exist, if there was barbers would not exist people with such long hair and beard like that man sitting on the sidewalk.
The barber said: - Barbers exist, but sometimes people don?t come to me, what can I do? That is up to them.
- Exactly. The client said
- God does exist, but people don?t come to him, After all is up to them.
(none / March 25, 2006 - 07:47 pm)
I heard about l'abbč Pierre during my French class. J'habite a Belfast, Irlande du Nord, et j'espere habiter en France a L'avenir.
(Brendan McGlone / March 24, 2006 - 00:29 pm)
A Turning Point in History
The Fall of Atheism
The past two decades of research have overturned nearly all the important assumptions and predictions of an earlier generation of modern secular and atheist thinkers relating to the issue of God. Modern thinkers assumed that science would reveal the universe to be ever more random and mechanical; instead it has discovered unexpected new layers of intricate order that bespeak an almost unimaginably vast master design. Modern psychologists predicted that religion would be exposed as a neurosis and outgrown; instead, religious commitment has been shown empirically to be a vital component of basic mental health...
(eemystic / March 21, 2006 - 05:10 pm)
One does not discuss with the idea of winning, changing the other side, or saving the un-educated or un-elightened, is in a debate. But one wants to put out in the cosmos, certain frequencies (as in music), that are higher than, or un-tainted by, the red-end spectrum of emotions and more towards the blue-end frequencies of our intellectual properties of logic, and reason.
The concept the LOGOS of pre-pythagorean Greece comes to mind. It was a beautiful concept of the ALPHA or the ONE (or Singularity), To express the Unity, Oneness or togetherness, that somehow got perverted by religion of course. But it originally meant "Logic as defined by sound in the form of words". In the Bible, John, the apostle, writing in Greek, states: In the beginning was the "Logos", which got translated to "word" in Eglish, to "verbum" in Latin and to "verbe" in French. So from "Logic", to "word", to "verbe or "action"...The corrupting power of religion in its inability to deal with dynamic, living or changing languages with the primitive tools of emotional materialist societies, with their static,
litteralist or sometimes dead languages.
As we all know that in most religions, words do not have to be "logical". They could just as well be grunts, without logical meaning to be taken on faith under threat of death of eternal damnation. That is a powerful toy that the religious "old boys", having believed in it since childhood and addicted to it since post puberty, refuse to give up as they get older and near death.
We, the un-enlightened "hopefuls" hope that the frequencies of logic and reason that we put out there will act as a template for the "Non thinkers" to fall into sub-consciously as an evolutionary matter of course. The non-thinkers of course will and must believe "religiously" that they got there on their own steam or by "inspiration" from above. I would rather think that the inspiration came from "inside". We, of course, must leave them that dignity. ie. to change at their own time and speed. It should not be difficult since Time is not a dimension as space, and we have unlimited or eternal Space to play with because of Motion. So "no reason to get excited" as the song goes. (All along the Watchtower):-)
(4d-Don / March 21, 2006 - 01:14 am)
I am happy that I have born Muslim!! I wish that God is loving me
(Musulim / mars 16, 2006 - 01:32 pm)
Should we not tolerate faith for the same reason that we tolerate talk of Father Christmas and pixies? Solace for weak or childish brains?
(Teacher / March 15, 2006 - 09:17 am)
Interesting to read your page!
(Catholic / March 14, 2006 - 03:06 am)
I explored a presented religious link... It didn't present anything that could modify a Pagan's stance in the "god" topic... All of the presentations were presented to persons who are already embedded in Christianity, thus being significantly religiously conditioned, and anchored.. like a clam stuck to a rock for its duration...
Reading those works was like starting, in the middle of a book...
I gave it a good honest read.. and found that it is full of unsolved questions, that seem to be just clouded and/or "steam rollered over"... with a literary filler, which seems to be included and incorporated, only to force to unrelated values to bind together... which enable high levels of emotion to hide deficiencies in literary attempts to create and establish fact where there is none...
In simpler terms.. It seems the Bible is a mishmash collections of delightful multi-authored, multi-cultured, multi time, multi dimensional prose.. in which unrelated excerpts and packages seem to be connected into a series presentation (book).. by incorporating unrelated fillers between packets.. as if to be the ""glue"".. to force stories to seem to be a flowing text...
(March 13, 2006 - 04:14 am)
I love my God
(Muslim / March 12, 2006 - 05:17 am)
trying to be rationalwant to understand the truth
(Hinduist / March 11, 2006 - 03:24 pm)
please respect the CHRISTIAN religion.
thank you very much and GOD BLESS YOU,AMEN
(March 10, 2006 - 00:17 pm)
Thanks for your thoughts.
You are mostly right, but there are many things "worse than being an atheist," including not being one.
(EarthIsAllWeHave / March 8, 2006 - 07:24 pm)
I recently had a visit from something. Something that spoke unto me, via my soul. I did not see anything with my eye, but I saw something with my mind. Since then I've started reading the bible and decided I'm not a christian, although I say thanks for my food now. Somehow I feel the need to do so, but I can't say where it comes from. I'm 100 % positive we're not alone, and I'm also positive the bible is not the truth. Still reading it though, just to build a framework of thought for the queste I have ahead of me.
(March 6, 2006 - 01:51 pm)
Religion needs to think that the Part, itself, is the Whole (present of future) and once "they" get smarter or are "saved", they will see the "righteousness" or "our" True Religion. Those who are not religious, see that there are so many parts, or religions (including no religion at all) that forms the All that like me, they don't want to be in one of the parts, as that would imply that they are not part of all the other parts and hence, not part of, or divided from, the ONE. This division is the gift of all religions. Religion divides, spirituality unites. The non-religious are the only ones who can cross over and link all the religious people into the ALL or the ONE....If we can just get them to stop fighting long enough to correct their megalomania and see that we are all part of the ONE or the Singularity. Some religious people think, in their disease, that they are the "teacher's pet", and are favoured of the ONE.... They are caught in an impossible concept of the ONE. "Be as nature" some claim but the sun, the wind, the rain or the other forces of nature such as the tides and the volcano does not favour the religious nor the atheist. That disease of the "favouritism of God" is worse than being an atheist is it not?
(4d-don / March 3, 2006 - 00:22 am)
This page is wonderful. On facebook I started a "Fuck Organized Religion" group, and mostly it's me quoting from this page.
(An atheist / February 26, 2006 - 05:17 am)
Reading the posts here from the believers (or at least those that make any sense at all), it's clear that no argument based on reason will sway them. There seems to be a genetic predisposition that influences belief/nonbelief, just as there is a genetic predisposition to intuitively understanding the process and value of science.
George W. Bush is a good example of someone who doesn't 'get' science. He praises it when it's politically convenient, but at bottom he hasn't got a clue about science, and is very suspicious of it.
So, perfectly valid arguments will have no effect on true believers. Debate is a waste of time. Some people are going to believe what they choose to, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. Others actively seek the truth.
In a democracy, there must be room for differing beliefs. Atheists understand this, and tolerate people of faith, but the reverse is not true. Conflict arises because religion is a social "virus," with means to replicate itself. All successful religions have evolved to include the requirement to proselytize: to "bless," "forgive," "save," and/or conquer the "unenlightened." Without this requirement, a religion will die, and many have through the ages. Today's major religions have this requirement, plus rules such as blind faith, plus other luring "benefits" that allow them to spread among uncritical minds. Survival of the fittest!
(EarthIsAllWeHave / February 22, 2006 - 09:07 pm)
Religion does not belong in politics as politics does not belong in religion. Your President and our Prime Minister appear to have hatched from the same egg. Both think religion can solve everything.
(An atheist / February 21, 2006 - 09:51 am)
I will pray that you see the way and the way is Christ. Christianty is not a religion its in the hearts of every Christian and also dont judge a religion by what people do... he who has no sin cast the first stone bascialy, its between your soul and God in the last day so stop using other humans flaws to excuse yourself so you can commit sin but make an attempt each day to live whole and ask God for help for its not by our power but by the Spirit and may God have mercy and may His love touch you,,,amen,
(Protestant / February 20, 2006 - 03:37 am)
TO: "Is Science not a way to believe?
Is Science not based on theories and so forth?
Do you for instance have proof that man truly does have Ape Ancestors?
Is science not a religion?
(Believer / December 27, 2005 - 06:18 pm)"
Well my learned friend, far be it from me to get all scientific on you, as that may well be a tad to complicated for you. Is there an echo in here? or is that just the emptiness in your head? Yes, theories go hand in hand, alongside scientific research but only after the: observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and then the theoretical explanation of whatever phenomena being studied. I always thought that theories were based on Science? Anyway that's just me I guess. As far as having proof that we share our ancestory with the ape, well lets just say I find that a little easier to believe than thinking that thanks to a generous donation of a mere rib an entire human being was created in the form of...wait for it....the opposite sex....wow...how convenient? And how much more proof do you need than 98% DNA?? Let's hope that the great modern apes have steered clear of your gene pool, as there is clear evidence of inbreading and bottle necking, although not entirely your fault, at least use the brain the ape cousin of yours would have wanted you to use. And we think ourselves so intelligent, don't tell me I'll burn in hell for this right?
(Sankyou / February 16, 2006 - 01:22)
If Atheism is the "veneral disease" of life, then what is religion, the "condom"?
(sankyou / February 16, 2006 - 00:47 am)
My beliefs are honest, not hopeful
(Agnostic / February 15, 2006 - 09:06 pm)
Im from Macedonia the first European country where Christianity began
(An atheist / February 15, 2006 - 07:27 pm)
stop Imaging God
(Musulman / February 14, 2006 - 10:20 am)
Atheism is a lonely walk. Either there are not many of us, or those who are out there are afraid to identify themselves.
(An atheist / February 7, 2006 - 11:09 pm)
Jesus loves you very much!
(Christian / February 2, 2006 - 07:21 pm)
I admire you, non-believers, because you have a bigger faith than those who believe in God.
Because if you can look at everything (and i mean everything!), and believe that the world is perfect for human life, while all the other known planets are not, because we are just lucky.
I tell you, your faith can move mountains.
(none / January 31, 2006 - 07:03 pm)
Still searching for some meaning to what we call life
(Agnostic/ January 23, 2006 - 01:58 pm)
Is there religion for us?? I want the benefits of community, and unified goals...
(Atheist / January 22, 2006 - 07:34 pm)
I read a lot about atheists writers like G. Woodcock, J.P. Proudhon, Rousseau, who believed once and gave up his faith (with reason). And the more i read, the more i believe in the need of mankind to be close to God. You can deny that for thousand years, but our natural state is close to God, that is the initial point, the equilibrium. You all like knowledge and think that it can superiorize the human being, creating a refined mind. I do believe in that, but to reject as false the greatest truth, letīs try to comprehend and not just run away because we canīt calculate it. The really exalting, refining knowledge is out there at everyoneīs reach. God does exist and He longs to let you know all about him.
"Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all."
(in a letter adressed to Romans)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." Timothy
(Christian - evangelical / January 20, 2006 - 07:53 pm)
If there is one thing i really like about atheism, is their hope in the enlightment and ascension to a idealized being by knowledge, i was wandering on this site and i saw one article about "False Atheism"
You all criticize Godīs position but what you just did is change places with the Humankind
"That man, in adoring himself as God, has posited of himself an ideal contrary to his own essence, and has declared himself an antagonist of the being supposed to be sovereignly perfect, -- in short, of the infinite;"
"That is to say, they abandon the reality to seize a projection; the true man is not the real man; to find the veritable man, the human ideal, we must leave time and enter eternity, -- what do I say? -- desert the finite for infinity, man for God! Humanity, in the shape we know it, in the shape in which it is developed, in the only shape in fact in which it can exist, is erect; they show us its reversed image, as in a mirror, and then say to us: That is man! And I answer: It is no longer man, it is God. Humanism is the most perfect theism."
(HAHAHA / January 20, 2006 - 07:00 am)
if religion is so good is that why Ireland and the Middle East are uch happy places?
(Atheist / January 17, 2006 - 09:39 pm)
Theism is dangerous and needs to be eradicated. And I believe that to be possible, in light of overwhelming scientific development.
(Atheist / January 16, 2006 - 10:31 pm)
"The science without faith is crippled, and the faith without science is blind"
I believe the universe is ruled by one supreme law: Equilibrium, Balance. Several times atheists base their thesis on deeds of catholic church in Dark Age, but that was no religion, that was a joke as we all know. Everybody knows the knowledge can exalt a person ego and provide a better living, deny that to mankind is a crime, this is a great thing at all, but people donīt know how to deal with that, they think they became divine creatures just because they used their natural capacity to understand things. Use talents will always bring self-contentment. That crusade to repugnate any kind of spiritual remains on man is always welcome because the humanity is traumatized by people trying to get advantage on another, and itīs not its fault but we must let it behind. Is much more suitable deny something we canīt understand, but itīs one of the easiest things to understand. For once and just for once, try to forget everything about everything, and think that all our existence, everything we gather on our lifetime, is not just wasted and our conscience vanish forever, just for once.
"You shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart."
(none / January 20, 2006 - 06:59 am)
If religion is good, then Ireland and the Middle East should be very happy places?
Keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out>
(David. UK / January 17, 2006 - 09:47 pm)
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(January 17, 2006 - 10:45 am)
Enjoyed your site!
Jeanne, Northern California
(Atheist / January 16, 2006 - 07:44 am)
Keep up the good work!
(Atheist / January 14, 2006 - 11:33 pm)
there are three gods in our global world capitialist society.
the holy ghost,you may imagine.
namely, aquisition of money, property and power.
if we, the moneyless, propertyless, landless majority living apon this earth could organise to alter our system of society, to serve the needs and happiness of our fellow man, (and all other inhabitants of this world) and abolish all of the above, then clearly the very thought, never mind the stupid existence of a god would cease to exist.
(email@example.com / January 12, 2006 - 02:12)
there is no substitute for human brain.
(Atheist / January 12, 2006 - 00:31 pm)
I do beleave in GOD it's acually stronger than just beleaving God will prove to anyone that asks with a sincere heart that He is there test him and see for yourself (if you can) ask for anything that you truly need and He will answer you! God bless all of you we are His creation and He loves EVERYONE of us.
(Christian / January 11, 2006 - 03:55 pm)
Science is not a religion. Unlike religion, it is testable & repeatable, for all to see.
Atheists must speak up & be heard!
(Marcus. / January 11, 2006 - 03:07 am)
I'm a new zealander. Atheist through & through. Nice to know there are other intelligent people on the planet. We never have to prove that no god exists, as they have never proved that one does. Remember that..
(Atheist / January 11, 2006 - 03:01 am)
i think that we have to take all this history of god with lot of humor... except when it s go too far...
(Atheist / January 10, 2006 - 07:33 pm)